Mansfield Training School, Mansfield

February, 2016 by Ray Bendici
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Courtesy of the National Register of Historic Places

The Damned Story: Although there are thousands of state residents who have attended the University of Connecticut, very few are familiar with the story of the Depot Campus, and how it was formerly the Mansfield Training School. Or how the buildings belonging to the former mental hospital are believed by some to be haunted.

In a demonstration of how political correctness is a 21st-century invention, the Mansfield Training School originally started in 1860 as the "Connecticut School for Imbeciles," and was located in Lakeville. As hard as it is to believe, that name eventually offended someone, and in 1915 it was re-christened the "Connecticut Training School for Feebleminded." (Yeah, that's much better.) In 1917, it was merged with Connecticut Colony for Epileptics in Mansfield, where the new 350-acre campus was opened under the official banner of the Mansfield Training School and Hospital.

With its isolated location and bucolic setting, the Mansfield Training School was an ideal place to treat those afflicted with mental disorders. For the next 60 years it was home to residents who suffered from all sorts of mental afflictions. At the height of its use, it housed over 1,800 residents and featured over 50 buildings, most of which were devoted to patient treatment. It also had a small farm that provided occupational therapy for some of the epileptic patients in addition to food for the facility.

Sadly, like other hospitals that dealt with mental illness, there were allegations of poor conditions and abuse, although many, many more people were helped rather than hurt during their stays. Overall, the facility appeared to have a dedicated, caring staff and a good reputation.

After numerous lawsuits and concerns about the conditions, however, the Mansfield Training School was closed in 1993; patients were sent to more modern facilities and institutions throughout the state. A few of the most dilapidated buildings were demolished while others became part of the University of Connecticut as its Depot Campus. Another part of the original campus was annexed by the Bergin Correctional Center, a level-2 minimum security facility for male offenders.

In 1987, the Mansfield Training School was added to the National Register of Historic Places.

Again, despite the mostly positive, caring work that went on here (and at other similar facilities), there seems to be a story or two of negative incidents, any one of which is enough to initiate stories of restless souls and troubled spirits.

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Consequently, there have been reports of spirit mists and orbs here, as well as experiences involving unexplained voices, sounds and shapes. The building of the former Knight Hospital is one place where unexplained phenomena is still allegedly observed.

Courtesy of National Register of Historic Places

Paranormal groups have also investigated a few of the buildings, and claim to have found evidence confirming paranormal activity, for what it's worth.

Our Damned Experience: When we visited UConn's Ballard Institute of Puppetry in 2010, we mentioned that the museum was located in an old, seemingly abandoned area on the Depot Campus, which as it turns out, was part of the Mansfield Training School. So we were there without even realizing it!

As we mentioned when we visited, that area of the campus feels a bit like a forgotten part of the campus. Now we have a reason to go back and explore a bit!

If You Go: The grounds of the former Mansfield Training School are now part of UConn's Depot Campus on Route 44 in Storrs, and thus are open to the public. 

On the other side of Route 44 is the Bergin Correctional Center, which also features some of the former training school campus, although it's not exactly open to the public in the conventional sense.

On the UConn side, some of the old structures remain empty, and have been overgrown by weeds and ivy. Obviously, visitors are vigorously discouraged from entering these buildings.

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Submitted by Kenny (not verified) on
...Only if it's still haunted that is, cause P.R.O.O.F. did a "banishing" 2 try 2 rid the spirits of her home! Who knows if it worked or not but I still would like 2 stay there 4 a week.

Submitted by Roula (not verified) on
@Melonie: what kind of horrible injuries?

Submitted by Kenny (not verified) on
...what's funny is the "banishing" may have just made things worse! Spirits don't like 2 b cast out like that! Soooo, on that note "sign me up"! ;P

Submitted by Omar Estrada (not verified) on
We should all get together and write to her and ask her to let us stay. We can start our own ghost hunt

Submitted by Richard (not verified) on
If the Super's house is that haunted, imagine what the rest of the buildings must be like. I believe everything as it was presented on the television series. I lived in a haunted house myself for many years and just sold it five months ago.

wow! lots of comments since last night, most of which helped clear the air, i didn't realize that it was a home on campus and not a main building. :) but i wanna check out the P.R.O.O.F. page! that's probably were most the convincing stuff is! it would be insane to stay over night! let us know if anyone manages to do so!!!

ive been to several state hospitals for the insane and have yet to ever experience any presence, cold spots, bad energy etc. and being a photographer i can tell you here and now. i have NEVER gotten pictures of orbs in any hospital ive been in. now as far as history goes. thats a different story, all kinds of negative things happen at these hospitals, they were filled with troubled people. in a time when medical science would try anything they could think of to help these people. and alot of time these patients would hurt themselves in the process of living on these sites. its just the nature of the property. now im not saying ghosts dont exist, i have had experiences in the past. just never at a hospital or abandoned site. you can find paranormal activity anywhere. if anyone is interested in seeing my photography of these state hospitals feel free to visit my site http:\\www.newkirk.biz

@Amanda from PROOF - Re: "Amy Moore purchased the home in 1994 and still lives in it to this day. It is the former superintendent home and not directly on the property of the MTS." If this was the superintendent's home, why would there be human remains in the basement? I know SyFy probably took casual liberties with the story and made it look like Ms. Moore was living in the school itself, but I have trouble believing this now because why would a superintendent have human remains in their house, or wheelchairs and the other items found on the 3rd floor (according to the show)?

Submitted by Urban Explorer (not verified) on
Yeah, this place is on 32 up the street and I wondered about the cremains thing myself. Never heard anything about this before last nights show in fact. I have been creeping this place for years and only had a couple strange encounters there with noises I could not account for (MTS proper) I have a yen to maybe go see her house.. I mean Hell, she makes the offer in the show huh? HA! Anyone actually do any research on the history of the place (as in records) ?

Submitted by Lyn (not verified) on
I do not believe any of this. if there are tunnels then some one could live there and get in and out unnoticed. if there is video and pictures then why not show us some. ok, so they showed the outside and all but no real evidence. if there is so much why not show some. and why, if this woman thought it was soooooo haunted, would she bring a small child into the house. just a bunch of hooey IMO. I do believe there are things out there that can not be expained but not in that house.

@Matt I think your points are very well elucidated and make a lot of sense. If I could defend myself a bit, my confidence in the ability of others to make that leap from artistic license to truth is not as solid as yours appears to be. Having witnessed how much damage rumors and innuendo can have on a historical site (*Dudleytown, Seventh Day Baptist Cemetery, Ladd Center, West Greenwich Baptist, MTS....*), I am quite concerned when baseless rumors are birthed on the internet or, in this case, television. Not everyone who watched that show will question the truthfulness of PW and simply take the account of MTS and the "body" as proof that something criminal occurred at school. Sometimes, one has to scream "fire" or "rape" in order to get the attention of others. If I have to do that, then so be it. Frankly, calls for TAPS to enter the property and, persumably, the school are laughable to me. I have had the pleasure to meet the heads of TAPS in an informal setting and what they told a colleague of mine (a University professor) when asked about their work cleared up a lot of the questions I had. To keep it short and simple, Ghosthunters is not only entertainment, but its purpose is to entertain and not a search for actual truth. *Wink Wink* if you can read between the lines. I appreciate your comments and agree with almost every point that you made.

Congrats to Amanda and PROOF for grabbing a great case, and doing a fantastic job with your investigation and research. I wish we had locations like this near where our group is located. After watching the show my first thoughts were, why would Amy buy a place in such deplorable condition and for what I consider an insane price at $100/K? Second, why would anyone stay there that long with such blatant activity happening? Third, why did she never call in professional help (like you)? (Now we know she finally did.) I thought over in my head what I had seen in the show trying to make the same determination that Joseph did. In the end, we both came to the same conclusion. That the entities were not demonic. However, at least one, the one in the attic, was malevolent and angry. Key signs are the way things played out over the course of the show. Typically demonic entities will let their presence be known gradually, not blatantly on the first night someone was there as portrayed in the show. Physical attacks of the demonic type were non-existant. No one was ever physically harmed or marked, at least none of that type of activity was shown. Also the way physical objects were moved was not consistent with known demonic manipulation. With a demonic manipulation objects are typically arranged or stacked in patterns or very heavy objects are moved violently. My only concern would be that the angry malevolent entity could invite or draw such entities into the home. I am very eager to review what evidence you captured there, how your cleansing went, and if it was effective or not. Typically the cleansing will clear most spirits out and help them to move on, provided they are not being controlled by the malevolent spirit. Even if you (the homeowner should perform the ritual for it to be affective) were able to cleanse the home of most of the spirits, I believe the malevolent one will remain and require more work to clear provided it has not opened the door to demonic entities which is a whole new can of very ugly worms. Our group has never had to deal with a demonic entity, yet, and frankly I hope we never have to. We have a few people we might contact if the occasion should arise. You all were very brave to investigate this location with a full team before determining if the location had a demonic presence. They are not for the faint of heart, and dealing with them can be extremely dangerous, and should be left up to someone with the experience to deal with them. We have investigated locations that had been cleansed by the owner. We still picked up some activity, and believe that at least one powerful entity still remains there. I've seen full body apparitions, and have had things thrown at me. (The nerve!) Our investigations and related evidence can be reviewed on our web site: http://www.dapsdelaware.webs.com or you can visit our Facebook (be sure to Like us) fan page at: http://www.facebook.com/dapsdelaware (Search on Delaware Area Paranormal Society) In closing I would like to comment on some of the oddities people have posted about, mainly the remains in the basement. One must consider the timeline. From what was portrayed in the show we are assuming that the child Jessica was not murdered in more recent years but most likely back in the early 1900's. Back then image was everything, and a scandal was out of the question. It would be quite plausible to have the superintendent be involved in a cover up of the murder if they were not directly involved. I would also assume some possibly illegal experimentation took place on the third floor. Hence the equipment found there, and a possible explanation for the malevolent entity, who we know was murdered there. Was he the subject of some medical experiment and died? No one is likely to ever know as I am sure no official records would have been kept of that activity. If possible, PROOF should focus on researching the superintendent. Who was he, what was he all about, what kind of person was he. Did he hold a medical degree of any sort etc. As far as calling in TAPS or Ghost Adventures, bad idea. However, hearing Aaron yell Oh My God!! as a water bottle flew past his head would me endlessly entertaining. :O) David

Of course the story is true,If the homeowner is on the show and telling her story why would she lie? and even her daughter and the numerous others that lived with the lady!! I mean come on,it's and old insane asylum where people were tortured and all,and the patients had electro shock and plebotomys practiced on them and the little girl that died there because of the abuse,and the old stone structure in the basement that contained cremated remains,Thats all stuff that would lead to a haunting of such sorts,Tortured patients,having all that stuff experimented on them that just calls for restless souls to haunt the premisise,not to mention that little girl that died there and the nightmare the lady was having of the little girls death,I know she's telling the truth because god strike me dead if i'm lying i've had experiences with the paranormal in the house i live in,I've been pushed down and attacked by this spirit,and it still haunts this house to the day,so i know the lady is telling the truth,the paranormal is nothing to mess with,It can be very serious stuff man,Shit is no joke

just because it was an asylum it doesn't mean people were tortured. library records probably have waaaay more than any of us can Google. but as far as online stuff I haven't read more than two cases of abuse at the place. :/

Submitted by Lyn (not verified) on
so where is the video taken by the daughter...the pictures she took... This show went to great lengths to drive home a haunting and showed us they had proof but never once did they show us....kind of fishy. If I had proof and was on national tv, I would show it. What went on in that place is very sad and those who did it should be ashamed and punished but if there are tunnels - again - there could be old patients who were kicked out and had no place to go. Now there are people in their home and they are none to happy. Sounds like, by the end of the shows storytelling, they were learning to cohabitate in the house.

The Mansfield Training School was closed after a class action lawsuit spurred by a Department of Justice investigation that patients were neglected (mentally retarded individuals kept in the basement wearing nothing but adult diapers) , patients were unlawfully kept in the facility despite medical evaluations that determined they were not mentally impaired, and, generally, an overcrowding of patients. Google the case of Gladys Burr. Make no mistake the institution was one of many around New England forged on the back of the pseudoscience of eugenics. I researched MTS and released part 1 of our series two weeks ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9DV7-xygsQ In my research, I found no evidence that a child was murdered at MTS and no evidence that a body was recovered from the home of the former superintendent. If PROOF, would like to provide me that information, they can instruct me where to email them.

"Congrats to Amanda and PROOF for grabbing a great case, and doing a fantastic job with your investigation and research. I wish we had locations like this near where our group is located. " MTS has been padlocked and boarded up b/c ghosthunters and ghost groupies have swarmed to the grounds looking for spirits. The grounds are littered with vandalism from broken windows to door literally broken into. It is a shame that people cannot behave themselves. Since there are details about MTS' history reported incorrectly, I am not inclined to believe the allegations reported last night on Paranormal Witness. Thanks to that show, the Mansfield police will have extended duty in that area this Halloween.

Submitted by Jayme (not verified) on
I believe in Proof's findings and about Amy Moore's experiences in that house. I would really like to go on an investigation with PROOF sometime, I live in Ashford so @ Amanda what would I have to do to get involved? I used to be a paranormal investigator with NWCPS. I have a family member who worked for Mansfield Training School for almost 20 years. @ Lyn: My family member that worked there confirmed that there ARE tunnels and that he experienced some strange experiences in numerous buildings there. He was actually someone who had seen clients being abused and reported them. A lot of things went on in that place and there are too many experiences that have happened to a lot of people there for it all to be just made up

Submitted by David (not verified) on
@Erik The case of Gladys Burr had NOTHING to do with abuse, torture, or conditions. She filed a false imprisonment case because she claimed she was not mentally retarded but held at the institution after being committed by a RELATIVE. The only thing that proves is the justice system is a joke. I was not aware we were going to be critiqued, but I do have to agree with your assessment. That is what separates the professional groups from the millions of paranormal wannabe's and basic ghost hunter crazy's out there. PROOF was invited by the client, as it should be. If we were to want to try our hand at investigating there without being invited, we would attempt to contact the homeowner or other persons in authority and gain proper permission. Again, its the difference between the real professionals and all the rest who aren't. Sadly, the appearance of any location on national TV will trigger a ton of unwanted attention. That is the nature of the beast. The same thing happened near us when TAPS decided to do Fort Delaware, and follow up with a Halloween special. The traffic was out of control, and the town of Delaware City was full of fools for months. To this day you cannot get near the Fort without being crowded out by dozens of ghost seekers on the tours, none of which have a clue what they are doing. The only thing that keeps them in check is that the Fort is isolated on an island and guarded. We got lucky and were able to get a private tour so we could do our work, but these days the park service is more interested in milking the publicity about the location being haunted for all the money they can get so getting a private tour is no longer possible. Of course you will not find any proof of the child's murder. It was covered up as I surmised in my original post. The only possible was to uncover a connection is for PROOF to use the name Jessica that they got, and scour any records they can find for an admissions form for a child with that name. That would give more details to research further on and so forth. As with everything in life, there will always be bad info, wrong info and good info, its the job of the investigators to uncover the truth and weed out the rest. Lastly, a comment on the use of original content. In some episodes of PW they have used a ton of it. I agree, the more the better. Not all original material can be used. Shaky camera shots, poor lighting, background noises and other contamination will ruin a ton of otherwise good evidence or make it not presentable on TV. I am curious as to why the producers did not use more original PROOF evidence shots aside from the thought that they didn't want to have to pay for it, maybe PROOF can clarify. In the end if the real evidence supports what happened and was experienced, and it is faithfully reproduced when needed, then there is no lack of validity to it. Just be glad they are not taking thumb rubs on EVP recorders, crew thumps, and stomach growls, and presenting it as voice evidence.

Submitted by valdeva (not verified) on
i am watching the show now the house is not the school building it may have been where a doctor or manager of the school lived.. it could have been this location but the show give a different address blackcreek dr??? could not find it tho

"@Erik The case of Gladys Burr had NOTHING to do with abuse, torture, or conditions. She filed a false imprisonment case because she claimed she was not mentally retarded but held at the institution after being committed by a RELATIVE. The only thing that proves is the justice system is a joke." @David. Gladys was committed by her relatives, both sisters and signed off by a doctor who was a relative, but she was evaluated by staff at MTS numerous times and determined to have an IQ well above the limit considered for mental retardation. You are correct that this is not a case of abuse, torture, or bad conditions, though Ms. Burr went on record about what happened in the basement of Wallace House. But her case is just as inflammatory as the Dept of Mental Health did not do their job in properly evaluating their patients. Ms. Burr did not belong in the institution according to their standards, and had no legal right to keep her there. The relatives who committed her were long dead when her suit was finally filed. Ms. Burr's case is one of many sad stories behind the walls of MTS. You need to provide some evidence of a murdered child before you make that allegation. If you don't know the name, how can you even connect it to MTS. Where is the police report that remains were removed from the property? There must be something there no? And you can't use the name Jessica as connective tissue. Spectral evidence hasn't been used since the Salem Witch trials. No court or person of reasonable intelligence can accept such information. I am not criticizing your organization. I have no idea how much of the content your group contributed and how much SyFy contributed on their own. I can only judge what I saw on television and critique that material. With no evidence of a murdered child and no evidence of a body found at the house (I would welcome something to be proven wrong on this point), I can only conclude that the connection to MTS presented on the show to be without merit.

"My family member that worked there confirmed that there ARE tunnels and that he experienced some strange experiences in numerous buildings there. He was actually someone who had seen clients being abused and reported them. A lot of things went on in that place and there are too many experiences that have happened to a lot of people there for it all to be just made up" And this how Mansfield Training School turns into Danvers or Norwich State Hospital. Crickey. Everyone needs to relax. The Department of Justice investigated MTS, there was a class action lawsuit, and the institution was shut down because of abuse and neglect of their patients. The Burr lawsuit opened the door to huge settlements against the state for poorly managed patient evaluations.

Submitted by Jayme (not verified) on
I believe in Proof’s findings and about Amy Moore’s experiences in that house. I would really like to go on an investigation with PROOF sometime, I live in Ashford so @ Amanda what would I have to do to get involved? I used to be a paranormal investigator with NWCPS. I have a family member who worked for Mansfield Training School for almost 20 years. @ Lyn: My family member that worked there confirmed that there ARE tunnels and that he experienced some strange experiences in numerous buildings there. He was actually someone who had seen clients being abused and reported them. A lot of things went on in that place and there are too many experiences that have happened to a lot of people there for it all to be just made up

Submitted by Jayme (not verified) on
"And this how Mansfield Training School turns into Danvers or Norwich State Hospital.Crickey. Everyone needs to relax. The Department of Justice investigated MTS, there was a class action lawsuit, and the institution was shut down because of abuse and neglect of their patients. The Burr lawsuit opened the door to huge settlements against the state for poorly managed patient evaluations." @Erik Kubik : Oh I am relaxed. I was responding to something someone had posted about not believing that there were tunnels. If you want to compare it to those places, thats fine, I was just stating some facts after having a relative who worked there for almost 20 years. Even still not everyone was abused and not everyone that worked there was an abuser. The point is that I believe that there is paranormal activity in those buildings.

You are free to believe whatever you wish. I respect your beliefs about the paranormal activity though I disagree with them. I actually believe the school is creepy enough b/c of its sorted past and does not require 'ghost' stories to enhance this reputation. I have not seen direct evidence of tunnels, but have heard the stories. There is a sidewalk near Storrs which has caved and was subsequently filled in with stones. Obviously, there was an underground opening which the stones buried. Was it a tunnel? It is possible. This area will be viewable in thedevilshopyard's second video on MTS.

Hey everyone! It's Amanda from PROOF! I'm at work and on my cell phone so its difficult to respond to everyone but I promise to come on tonight to address all the questions, comments and concerns. Thank you.

@Amanda. I really would like you to address the body in the basement. I have found no documentation that a cremated body was removed from a body in Mansfield, CT during the time period in question. Could you please provide a link to such documentation or provide evidence that this occurred?

Submitted by Jerri (not verified) on
I would like too know was the remains of that little girl found in the house or not? because the story behind this school interests me very much. I have been going through a personal haunting of my own and so im very interested in this story.

Submitted by Kenny (not verified) on
@Amanda: What happened with the "banishing" & did it work? Has P.R.O.O.F. heard from Amy recently? Does she still have activity in her home? I would like to know please...because I would pay Amy to come stay at her house for a week with no refunds!!!! Only if it's still active that is? I'm not a skeptic by any means & do believe that if I had my own personal experience in Amy's home it would reassure me that hauntings really do exist. Seeing/personal encounters is believing & believing is proof that's good enough for me! Other than that there all just a bunch of ghost stories that are passed around the camp fire at night! I'm in the process of starting a journal/book on my own personal experiences of haunted locations all over the U.S. & Amy's home would be a great place to start. If possible could you please E-mail me at "kennypichette@live.com" with some info on what I need to do to be able to get in & document/investigate haunted locations all over the U.S. for my journal/book from you & P.R.O.O.F.'s perspective, not just the basic information that I can easily google. Other than research...where do I begin? Once you have E-mailed me...we will talk more about everything privately. Thank you

Submitted by Karen (not verified) on
I would like to say that I enjoyed the show. It's great that she learned the history of her home. Even if you purchase a new home you never know what happen there before you purchased it or moved in.

Submitted by Russ BLPR Director (not verified) on
I was wondering about this place. I want to bring my paranormal group out there to check the place out. If someone can send me any info my email is djmixakilla@yahoo.com Beyond Life Paranormal Research Director Russ

Submitted by Joseph (not verified) on
I enjoyed the show and reading the many responses and looking at the different links. There are some issues and inconsistencies. @Erik, your posts are confusing. If PROOF got the name Jessica in an EVP session for a little girl they think may be the one killed there, that is a key piece of evidence and can be used to research names in records in an attempt to find answers to whether she even existed and go from there. Your talk of Spectral evidence makes no sense. Obviously you've not done much investigative work. No one is specifically accusing anyone of anything so chill out. Its just an idea being presented. Look at it from the flip side, just because you cannot find evidence, doesn't mean it never happened. As was mentioned, cover ups and secrecy were rampant back then so anything was possible. If you did some serious research you would discover that patients were also kept at the superintendents house. @Amanda I am not comfortable with this cleansing. On your web site I believe that it is Joseph who states that "it is a P.R.O.O.F policy, only a certified parapsychologist may conduct these sorts of rituals". This is blatantly incorrect. Only the home owner can perform the ritual, and it must be done in the proper manner for it to be effective. They do not have to be a parapsychologist, and parapsychologist's do not study cleansing or exorcisms. Further, a cleansing will not remove a demonic entity. As I think is was David who said he did not think by what they showed on the program that the entity was demonic, I have to agree, they showed nothing to support that theory. Joseph said the same thing originally, but then on the web page he has an alleged bad attach encounter in the basement during his cleansing attempt which should have failed completely because it was done improperly. I cannot see how Amy's home could possibly be cleansed and free of all entities. As for the arguments about the insignificant tunnels I will say this. Just about every institution built in this time period had miles of tunnels that connected just about every building in the complex. Look at what you see on TV on the paranormal shows. How many times have Ghost Adventures teams or TAPS teams investigated "the tunnels" when locked down in an old asylum or mental facility? Plenty. I actually work in a complex that used to be a mental facility. I have seen the tunnels and have been in them. I have seen underground experimentation rooms where they conducted experiments on people. I can go from building to building without seeing the light of day. So it is quite possible tunnels existed at MTS. This would be easy to confirm by any investigator. Do some research and find someone to contact from the facility who would know. An ex maintenance worker is a prime example. Or get proper permission to enter a few buildings and head to the basements and look for the portals. Good thread, great conversation and reading. Joe

Submitted by Kim (not verified) on
Maybe it's like Amanda said, all their work was left out when the other company aired the show......... "They sent P.R.O.O.F’s Founder out to Boston and he filmed with them for 4 days. He provided them with all our pictures, videos, medical records, EVP’s and research. We were never told that we had been cut from the show until we watched it this evening and nothing, not even a mention of our investigation." Found these photos of the house/apparitions.... http://www.teamproof.com/gfe/index.php?dir=1308+Stafford+Rd.+Mansfield%2C+CT&by=date&order=asc Found the house on Google Earth and Bing's Zillow (search 1308 Stafford Rd, Storrs Mansfield, CT) if this is the house, you can see where tunnels might have been or at least a pathway connections. Someone asked about the remains and upstairs equiptment. Well maybe this person that owned the house (superintendents house) was connected in someway to early 1800 (since the house was built then) work with patients. Then when they built all the new facilities that upper room was not ever cleared/cleaned out and the cremains where left in the basement. Just a thought.

Submitted by Kim (not verified) on
Correction........ I ment to say the house was connected in someway to early 1900 (the house was built in 1893). Don't know who built the house, but George H. Knight (1886-1912) was Superintendent during the time the house was built. Maybe he has something to do with all of this. http://www.cslib.org/agencies/mansfieldstatetrainingschool.htm An afterthought.

@Erik Kubik: I want to clarify that it was not a body found in her basement. Nor was it complete bone matter like the television show portrayed. What was found in Amy’s basement was what appears to be cremated remains. If you have ever seen a cremated ashes before you’ll know that small bone fragments are still visible to the naked eye. What was found was pretty much like ashes except the fragments were a bit larger in size. Amy & PROOF members decided it was best to contact the state police department as well as off duty fire fighters to help remove the cement slab as well as property analyze the material within it. We were told it looks to be cremated ashes and that the state police department was bringing it to the state pathologist for evaluation of its origin. We, PROOF, have not received any results yet. People we have spoken to about it suggest that because MTS was once state run, it may be a cover up. We have no comment on that. I do have pictures of the matter found within Amy’s basement and we will be posting pictures of it on our facebook page. Also, there are definitely tunnels located beneath MTS. I have personally been in them. They are old, dangerous and have potential to cave in but I’ve seen them and I know they are there. Could you please email me at amanda.proof@live.com I would like to continue to answer your questions and concerns in a private conversation. Thank you. @Jerri: I am sorry to hear that you are currently going through a haunting. If you ever need any help from PROOF please do not hesitate to contact us anytime. @Kenny: The banishing was not successful in our initial attempt however we do believe it was successful during our second go at it. We however, chose along with Amy to not banish all spirits from her home. We decided that because there are many good spirits there that call the Mansfield Mansion home that we would only banish the malevolent ones. Her house is still active and it is not to say that the malevolent spirits are not laying dormant. Only time will tell. Yes, PROOF does regularly speak to Amy. Besides our quarterly visits to her home we have maintained a respectful friendship. We are actually meeting up with her next week for lunch to discuss some possible paranormal events that will be held monthly at her home. We will keep everyone posted with the information as we know it. PROOF Founder Joe is in the last stages of writing a paranormal book as well touching on investigations that he’s done independently and with PROOF. Amy’s house is included. I will email you this evening Kenny! @ Russ: I will be emailing you this evening also!! @Jayme: Please email me at amanda.proof@live.com Thank you! @Lyn: We feel the same way. All audio, video and photographic evidence captured by PROOF and the Moore family was handed over to RAW TV. We spoke with one of the producers this morning and we were told that it was not shown because there was “no time” and because they felt that the EVP’s were vile and had swears in them. Yes, some did but there were also some very clear class “A” EVP’s that had no swears in them, such as “I let the children burn.” It’s a shame that SyFy and RAW TV chose to leave out the evidence. @David: Thank you. We do feel very privileged to have been given the opportunity to investigate Amy’s house. It’s truly an honor to us. From PROOF’s investigation we personally believe there to be a demonic spirit once inside the home. The television show had to put 15 years of living into the home into less than an hour. Things did happen progressively. But of course, we may be wrong. The spirit may have only been malevolent. And there was a physical attack, to PROOF’s founder in the basement during the first banishing. There were MANY personal experiences from PROOF members during our investigations of the home. Apparitions, illnesses, moving objects, etc. I would love to talk to you more in depth, from one investigator to another. I will be most definitely checking out your website and facebook page. If you would, please email me at amanda.proof@live.com. Thanks for your great comments David!! @Shannon: As you have probably read from many other posts, MTS was at one point not the best place to be in. I don’t want to make accusations or point fingers so I won’t but there have been many suggestions of abuse, murder, rape, etc within the walls of the school. It’s rumored that some former superintendents, back in MTS’ early days would bring their “work”home with them. I hope I answered everyone’s questions. If you have any other questions, comments and concerns please ask. PROOF’s investigation of the home is an open book and we have nothing to hide. Hope everyone has a wonderful night!!

@Joseph: Could you also please email me at amanda.proof@live.com. I like where this conversation is going and I would like to hear more of your opinions and theories. I love learning new things about the paranormal and would like to see what I can learn from you. Thanks!

Submitted by stacy (not verified) on
I would like to see ghost hunters check it out,. I believe in ghosts, spirts and I would love to go there and walk through it," LOVE IT : it sounds so exciting.. get ghost hunters and get the proof..

@Stacy: When you watch Ghost Hunters, how much evidence do you really see? Honestly? Not much, right? Not bashing them or any other television based paranormal team but sometimes they give us "non TV teams" a bad reputation. PROOF investigated the Mansfield Mansion. I will stand tall in saying, we are just as good as TAPS. We have evidence. The proof is on our website and facebook page.

@joseph. You are welcome to your judgements of my investigative skills. Since you know very little about it, they carry about that much weight. Now to the meat of your post. A name derived from an EVP session, psychic walk through,ect is a type of spectral evidence. It does not in any sense of reason, legal or philosophical, establish a connection to 1) the first name of the person allegedly found in the basement or 2) the name has any connection to the school at all. You are more than welcome to search hospital records for a 'jessica' ( you will probably find many) who may have died at the facility at a young age (much less likely). Frankly, even if you get a hit, there still is no direct connection between the name, the patient, and the house. The only tangible, forensic connection to the house are the alleged cremated remains. Find the identity of the remains (if they exist---I have my doubts), then one can establish a connection to the hospital and support an accusation of wrongful death. Right now, there is a very pointed allegation against the school, the former superintendent, and the State of Connecticut for which I can find no record. I again ask PROOF for evidence that a body was found in that house and that it was removed by the state police. <> And this is the broth through which the ufology movement has cooked for decades. If someone is going to publicly accuse an individual, an organization, or an institution of murder and the conspiracy to cover it up, there should at least be some reproducible evidence to make that claim. Your logic is so circular, it admits any possibility for any accusation for which no evidence has been presented. Isn't it more likely if there is no evidence of a murder/body in the basement, then perhaps it just didn't happen.That it was made up....... didn't the Lutz family make up 30 days of ghost stories to sell a few million books? I would just like PROOF to clear up these inconsistencies. If they have the research of a body removed from the house, it would be in all our best interests to make that public.

@Erik: On Monday, PROOF members will go to the State Police Dept and request the records of us calling them to report what we feel is cremated remains in the basement. Hopefully that will clarify for you all the inconsistencies.

Ok, this is what PROOF has on their website: "As for what was believed to have been human remains found in the basement, P.R.O.O.F contacted the State police and had the “buried Materiel” analyzed nevertheless no reports have been sent back confirming its true contents. I hope that this helps!" So the Paranormal Witness program was incorrect to assert that bones were recovered from the 'buried material.' In fact, PROOF does not even say that the material was composed of human remains. I still would like to see some proof that the material was collected by the State Police. "I’m pleased that you brought up the topic of visiting the Mansfield haunting. P.R.O.O.F and the Moore family have been discussing the possibilty of hosting monthly over night paranormal investigations for the public" And this is what this might be all about.

Submitted by Mallory (not verified) on
Wow @erikkubik you have to be the most annoying, persistent little weasel I've ever encountered.

@Erik: The link to our pictures is www.facebook.com/teamproof and our website is www.teamproof.com As we have stated previously, we signed a contract with RAW TV and handed over our evidence. Until we know for sure that we are able to publicly release them again without legal ramifications we will only post whatever evidence is already posted. We don't need to make you believe us. Because we and the family were there, experienced it and know it's true validity. We are not in the business of arguing over actualities, we simply take the believers with the non believers and move on.

@Amanda That is a start. The outcome of the analysis will of course be essential. Clearly if the State police felt a homicide occurred (which they would have if bone fragments were found), then the house would have become a crime scene and a proper forensic investigation would have taken place. I would like you to comment on the scene in Paranormal Witness in which someone picks up a fragment of vertebrae among the debris. Did that actually happen and did the actual material contain human bones?

Submitted by Jayme (not verified) on
I think PROOF sounds like an honest group of people and just as good as the Ghost Hunters. I would really like to investigate with you guys sometime. @ Erik Kubik: It is also very possible that there was remains found in the basement. They didn't try to say they knew for a fact that it is a girl named Jessica, but it is there best guess for the evidence they collected and what was found. I have had many paranormal encounters and think that some people are too close minded and always want to dismiss everything as being made up. I have seen the dark figure of what looked like a man at the Benton Homestead in Tolland, lived in a old house that I would hear my name being called and see a dark shadow go by in the corner of my eye, I have a evp from a cemetary in Canaan of a man saying "Jack" I think that personally knowing a relative and his friends that worked at MTS is enough for me to be able to say I believe there is spirits in MTS. Those are all people who wouldn't make something like that up.

@Jayme: Thank you for your kind words. Please email me, we would like to speak with you about joining us on an investigation.

Submitted by Kenny (not verified) on
@Erik: you found that info on P.R.O.O.F.'s website...that the Moore family have been discussing the possibilty of hosting monthly over night paranormal investigations for the public? Nice, I think I'm gonna check out that site because I would like to spend a couple nites in one of the spare bedroom's & a couple nites in the attic & finally if I can last long enough, a couple nites in the basement & do my own investigations for my journal/book! I'm dying to have another personal experience...what adrenaline rush!

Submitted by Jayme (not verified) on
@ Amanda, I just sent you an email. Hope to hear from you soon :)

@Jayme The statement by PROOF says it all. If it was not certain by their examination that it was human remains then SyFy had no reason to show a human vertebrae inside that box in the basement. The newspaper articles and assertion that a child was murdered at the hospital also were not true. There is no record of that ever happening at MTS.

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