Mansfield Training School, Mansfield

February, 2016 by Ray Bendici
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Courtesy of the National Register of Historic Places

The Damned Story: Although there are thousands of state residents who have attended the University of Connecticut, very few are familiar with the story of the Depot Campus, and how it was formerly the Mansfield Training School. Or how the buildings belonging to the former mental hospital are believed by some to be haunted.

In a demonstration of how political correctness is a 21st-century invention, the Mansfield Training School originally started in 1860 as the "Connecticut School for Imbeciles," and was located in Lakeville. As hard as it is to believe, that name eventually offended someone, and in 1915 it was re-christened the "Connecticut Training School for Feebleminded." (Yeah, that's much better.) In 1917, it was merged with Connecticut Colony for Epileptics in Mansfield, where the new 350-acre campus was opened under the official banner of the Mansfield Training School and Hospital.

With its isolated location and bucolic setting, the Mansfield Training School was an ideal place to treat those afflicted with mental disorders. For the next 60 years it was home to residents who suffered from all sorts of mental afflictions. At the height of its use, it housed over 1,800 residents and featured over 50 buildings, most of which were devoted to patient treatment. It also had a small farm that provided occupational therapy for some of the epileptic patients in addition to food for the facility.

Sadly, like other hospitals that dealt with mental illness, there were allegations of poor conditions and abuse, although many, many more people were helped rather than hurt during their stays. Overall, the facility appeared to have a dedicated, caring staff and a good reputation.

After numerous lawsuits and concerns about the conditions, however, the Mansfield Training School was closed in 1993; patients were sent to more modern facilities and institutions throughout the state. A few of the most dilapidated buildings were demolished while others became part of the University of Connecticut as its Depot Campus. Another part of the original campus was annexed by the Bergin Correctional Center, a level-2 minimum security facility for male offenders.

In 1987, the Mansfield Training School was added to the National Register of Historic Places.

Again, despite the mostly positive, caring work that went on here (and at other similar facilities), there seems to be a story or two of negative incidents, any one of which is enough to initiate stories of restless souls and troubled spirits.

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Consequently, there have been reports of spirit mists and orbs here, as well as experiences involving unexplained voices, sounds and shapes. The building of the former Knight Hospital is one place where unexplained phenomena is still allegedly observed.

Courtesy of National Register of Historic Places

Paranormal groups have also investigated a few of the buildings, and claim to have found evidence confirming paranormal activity, for what it's worth.

Our Damned Experience: When we visited UConn's Ballard Institute of Puppetry in 2010, we mentioned that the museum was located in an old, seemingly abandoned area on the Depot Campus, which as it turns out, was part of the Mansfield Training School. So we were there without even realizing it!

As we mentioned when we visited, that area of the campus feels a bit like a forgotten part of the campus. Now we have a reason to go back and explore a bit!

If You Go: The grounds of the former Mansfield Training School are now part of UConn's Depot Campus on Route 44 in Storrs, and thus are open to the public. 

On the other side of Route 44 is the Bergin Correctional Center, which also features some of the former training school campus, although it's not exactly open to the public in the conventional sense.

On the UConn side, some of the old structures remain empty, and have been overgrown by weeds and ivy. Obviously, visitors are vigorously discouraged from entering these buildings.

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Submitted by CB (not verified) on
If indeed it is a covered up murded from 100 years ago I cannot imagine the case being solved, but like I said this institute/facility was criticized and eventually closed with a big reason being the lawsuits, actions or whatever were against the state. It is and will remain a kick to the groin and a sore spot to the state of Connecticut. I would expect to never receive a statement of the findings for that reason. This helps and hurts P.R.O.O.F. with being able to show a valid point and truth to their "evidence" or findings.

Submitted by S (not verified) on
Hi all, I enjoyed watching the show re-run last night. I grew up 5 miles from the Mansfield Training School, so this has always been an interesting topic for me. I think people are confused about the location of Amy Moore's house....it is not on the grounds of the actual facility, it's a few miles away. It is an absolutely gorgeous house, which she has done a fantastic job renovating, especially in the recent years. I would be really surprised to know that there are tunnels under the house that connect to the hosptial site - they would literally be miles long. I just don't see how this is possible. The story about the hauntings are very believable to me, especially with the controversy that surrounds the MTS. When I was in high school (1995-1999) my friends and I frequently visited the hospital grounds to walk through and explore. It has an 'electric', strange feeling, unline anything I've ever felt before. Everything was exactly the way it was left on the day it closed....patient's files still in cabinets, exam rooms with chairs, straps, pharmarceuticals, instruments...over the years, people have vanadlized the place and security is very tight there now. I'm not sure what I believe about ghosts and haunted places, but I do know that the Mansfield Training School was filled with an energy I've never felt, and it wasn't a nice feeling.

Submitted by CB (not verified) on
This whole thread is riddled with conflicting statements and knowledge. You have people that were raised in the area that believe or noticed certain aspects of the paranormal. Some of those raised and grew up in the area say nothing crazy ever happened at MTS while some feel that MTS has a tainted history. It is what it is, believe what you want or dont want to.

@CB I have indeed believed what I know to have experienced being from the area. I also know that I do not believe completely the alleged presented evidence from Proof. I call these things to question with them because they lack the scientific method that even a "pseudoscience" should aspire to. Much of the riddling that you speak of comes from Proof.. So, given the empirical evidence I have, I choose not to believe their statement of "fact" that the house is haunted. Until such time as I experience these things myself, this is the state of belief I shall continue to hold true. U.E.

Submitted by CB (not verified) on
U.E.- I understand and agree with you completely. I just do not know enough about the "science" of it so I will not criticize or condemn anyone for what they have to offer. Do not think that I am for or against P.R.O.O.F. I am a believer and therefore I am "for" the growth of the field and I respect the numerous types and different paranormal investigators.

Submitted by CB (not verified) on
But one last note.... I believe that critics will forever push these investigators and researchers to excellerate their chosen field of expertise, in this case the paranormal. I just feel there is a proper and more effective way to criticize rather than attack, which I feel some people have approached a spirited discussion with the willing with a fierce and accusative manor.

Submitted by Squidge (not verified) on
CB - I think I see what you're getting at, but ... this is not a matter of opinion. "A murder happened" is not opinion. That is claiming a fact. So I'm not sure why PROOF gets to come on here claiming facts, but if we question their alleged facts we're told it's all just opinion. It's not. They're stating that a factual event happened or did not happen. "Regardless of what we think, we have to at least give them, P.R.O.O.F. some type of respect in understanding how there may just in fact be 'red tape' over certain things considering the investigation of the Moore house was done before SyFy had involvement." All I've asked for is the article about the murder, which is public record. There is no possible way a publicly accessible newspaper article can be caught up in red tape.

@CB "When I say young I am referring to the methods and “tools” used. It is kind of far fetched to say that ghosts just started appearing within the last three hundred years or even one thousand years." In regards to the pseudoscience debate, I have to respond though I appreciate your comments on this case b/c I believe the allegations of the SyFy channel need to be taken separately from what PROOF has presented. When Einstein unveiled his Special Theory of Relativity in 1905, he offered an explanation of the famous Michelson-Morley experiment by introducing a revolutionary assumption: the speed of light was constant irregardless of the motion of the observer or source. This assumption predicted a number of different phenomenon such as time dilation and the increase in the masses of fast moving objects. Subsequent experiments proved definitely that Einstein's underlying assumption was correct. Any experiments to measure the time dilation effects of particles emitted from a supernova, for example, would not be considered pseudo science because the underlying theory of the research has been shown to be repeatable and predictive. Similarly, if one were to study the evolution of grey seals in North America using the theory of natural selection and evolution, then such research would also not be considered pseudo scientific b/c it is based upon a foundation of a theory which is both repeatable experimentally and predictive. The study of ghostly phenomenon, however, fails this test because it is based upon a 'false knowledge', namely that the animals, humans or otherwise, can communicate with the living, physical world after death. Ghost research involves the investigation of houses, buildings, areas of historical interest....ect, in which the investigators use scientific methods (not always) to detect the presence of ghostly spirits. This research is pseudoscientific b/c it is based on a false assumption that such phenomenon exists. There is no biological experiment which has found evidence of communication in our world from the dead which is both repeatable and predictive. Thus, if one engages in research based on an unproven assumption, that area of research is deemed pseudo science. Now I am not dismissing the existence of ghosts, spirits, or an afterlife. Many people have had their own experiences and I respect that. However, as a scientist, I know that such experiences cannot be turned into repeatable scientific experiments and also cannot rule out alternate explanations. If one wants to engage in scientific research of ghosts, then one must directly attempt to prove that deceased animals can communicate with our world under control conditions and be able to repeat that experiment. However, as I have said, any research which branches off from the existance of ghosts assumption has ventured into the realm of pseudoscience.

Submitted by CB (not verified) on
Squidge- How many murders have happened that no one knows about? Just because there is no article does not mean it did not happen. It is fact knowing that at the turn of the 20th century records were not kept like they are today, obviously. People were admitted to institutions for multiple bull crap reasons. Some people were "socially inept" some were considered to have something wrong with them if they were having children while unwed. Some families just made reasons to get rid of children or other relatives out of hate or anger. Remember this could have happened (the murder) in the early 1900's. P.R.O.O.F. I admit has made some conflicting arguments that there was a murder and that there was nothing to support that a murder happened there. Look you want an article, ok fine, I understand. I worked in the law enforcement field and grew up in a terrible city. Everytime there is a murder there is not an article written especially if no one knows there was a murder. Does someone sit at a desk and get this mental wave of energy and then they start penning in an article simply because a murder happened. For there to be absolute proof that a murder happened and who did it you need 1) a body 2) a motive and 3) a weapon. If you live your life depending on knowing that only facts are stated by newspapers or the local news station then I am sorry you live a sheltered and malinformed life. Who is to say that this little girl was not an orphan from another state that was dropped at the institutes door step and 1,2,5,6,7 hell 10 years later while being a ward of the state she was slapt upside the head and she died as result of neck break or trauma due to hitting her head off a porcelin tub or whatever. Records were not kept like they are today, there is no hard drive there is nothing like today. All i am saying is it is definately possible that the little girl may have been murdered and it may have been covered up. I am not saying I believe what P.R.O.O.F. has said. I will say that it could have happened. It is just ignorant to believe that somone would not have destroyed records to cover there butts because it was a "state facility". Do you think that there would be reports of of an AMBER ALERT or something? No, because the world was nothing like it is today were everything you do is documented. But there are crimes commited everyday from speeding, dui and even murders that no one knows about. When you see a missing poster do you think all those people are missing and not one of them was murdered? Come on be realistic. Just because you want an article for your doubts to be put to rest does not mean that the article exists, and just because of an article not existing does not mean it did not happen. For example refer to the show on Travel Channel called THE DEAD FILES. Granted one investigator is a medium and the other is a retired police detective, but they do not speak about the investigation until they reveal to eachother their findings with the owner or victim. Also granted there is documentation to back it up and confirm what eachother finds. My point is, the medium,through her own method of paranormal research found things out without the aid of the detective and his research. Have you ever heard an EVP in person from you asking questions? Who is to say (unless you are a non beliver or skeptic) that you cannot learn from the dead? Like I said if you do not believe nothing I say will make sense to you and you will not even try to understand.

Submitted by Squidge (not verified) on
CB - I agree. No article does not mean there as no murder, and I'm not being "ignorant." I never said anything like that. The only reason I'm asking about the article was because in the Paranormal Witness episode, Amy Moore said it existed. Since Moore is in contact with PROOF, I asked PROOF if they had the article. If they don't, that's fine. I just figured I'd ask. In fact, I asked as an attempt to defend PROOF. People were questioning if the murder existed, so I thought if they could show us the article, it would prove they were right. I was initially on their side.

Submitted by Squidge (not verified) on
Actually, can I ask you a favor? Your last post to me was getting a little insulting. Would you please pull back a little? You may not have intended it, but things like "Did you think there would be an AMBER alert," contemplating my "sheltered and malinformed life," and misunderstanding my position and then calling it "ignorant" is pretty bad. No, I'm not stupid. No, I don't think all murders are reported. No, I don't think reporters "get this mental wave of energy and then they start penning in an article simply because a murder happened" and it is ridiculous to suggest that I think that. I have stated my position plainly - there is a claim made by the owner of the house in question that she read an article about the murder. I would like to see that article. That is not unreasonable, and it's not me being so idiotic that I can't comprehend the idea of a cover-up. The Owner. Of the house. Says she read the article. Plain and simple. "Like I said if you do not believe nothing I say will make sense to you and you will not even try to understand." Seriously. Stop this. Stop saying people can only question PROOF if they aren't true believers or are close-minded.

Submitted by CB (not verified) on
Erik- If you are a scientist you will respect the fact that all sciences start with a hypothesis or theory. I am glad you can copy and paste about einsteins theory of relativity and also the process of natural selection amongst grey seals. Is the earth round or flat? Was it not a theory for hundreds of years until proven only 500 years ago by magellan? the theory of the sun revolving around the plans was a theory for over 2000 years. Faculty psychology was a theory until the last couple of decades, with evolved technology showed that different sections of the brain are pesponsible for different functions. By definition hypothesis is by dictionary.com is - " hy·poth·e·sis   /haɪˈpɒθəsɪs, hɪ-/ Show Spelled[hahy-poth-uh-sis, hi-] Show IPA noun, plural -ses  /-ˌsiz/ Show Spelled[-seez] Show IPA. 1. a proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena, either asserted merely as a provisional conjecture to guide investigation (working hypothesis) or accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts. 2. a proposition assumed as a premise in an argument. 3. the antecedent of a conditional proposition. 4. a mere assumption or guess." In laymans terms it is an assumption of results in which you attempt to prove/disprove. You mention you are a scientist. What type of scientist? Because I would love to know what theories or hypothesis you have come up with on your own. All these major things I listed in the forementioned post where all assumptions, guesses, theories and hypothesis at one time. They have just been proven to be correct. I do not believe you, being a scientist, has no understanding of "pseudoscience" other than throwing out the definition and taking it literal. You by nature should be quizical and skeptical. Your thinking should be out of the box not confined to wikipedia and websters dictionary. Unless you are a lab rat that puts together samples and does test for the scientist with the scientists guidance and direction. Regardless people come up with a new theory and are mocked until proven right. I understand your skepticism because of comments made by P.R.O.O.F. memebers but when tey attempted to make an argument you were to ignorant to look at the bigger picture. You mocked their education and training because of "pseudoscience". I provided proof of this happening and in the end because of those once "pseudosciences" which are now considered basic science in many levels of education. I do not get you. You deliberately tried to shoot down the credibility of those that were debating and trying to provide their own defense (admitably poorly and questionable). As a scientist you should know of all these things that have happened over the last 2500 years amongst highly influential people that were considered radical and mocked by many until time told the truth of their theories. You should at least be able to look at this situation and say "It is a possibility". However I feel your ego and mouth may have gotten a head of you and you unfortunately seem to be one of those people that made a statement and will never be open to others.

Submitted by CB (not verified) on
Squidge- I apologize if you felt insulted. I just feel that people do not look at the whole picture and only believe one thing as opposed to many. Everyone has their opinion. I have commented on the "hollywoodifying" by SYFY. I have commented on the conflicting statements by both PROOF members. I just feel everyone is sitting there saying that it is not possible, when it is very possible. Again I apologize for the misleading attack on you, it was not meant that way. If I used you it was meant as an in general not you specifically. I also believe you misunderstand where I was going with that. If you or anyone else out in the world does not believe then so be it. I do not judge. The closeminded comment was aimed at saying that the proof only lies in documents. Crap happens everyday that is no documented. We live it, that is where the open your mind is. Again the your is directed in general. In fact many times I said critics and skeptics are a necesary evil.

Submitted by Squidge (not verified) on
Thank you sincerely for the apology. For the record, even if it turns out the murder is fake, like Joseph says, I still think it's possible there's a haunting. The PROOF page says there were EVPs from men as well, so clearly not everything they found is related to the murder of the little girl. I'm just finding the little girl story specifically to be increasingly sketchy and I am startled at the blatant contradictions surrounding it. I'll admit it's pinging my skepticism, but when I asked for Joseph's take on the contradictions I was sincerely asking. It really may just be miscommunication from team members, but I would like to hear it from PROOF, you know?

Submitted by CB (not verified) on
Squidge- I am truly sorry for offending you. I can not emphasize enough. I misunderstood what direction you were going and I made an assumption. I will admit I was wrong. Erik - I will not apologize to you for the fact that you are so rude and critical. I understand your stand on the PROOF conflicting comments and with SyFy interpretation and representation. I can say with the research I have done on PROOF they seem to be a legit and honest group that helps communities and many other causes and I tend to lean towards giving them the benefit of the doubt for that reason of their track record. I cannot understand how you attacked them without giving them the thought of saying "there could be a possibility".

Submitted by CB (not verified) on
Squidge- It can also be a misunderstanding of the two members on a legal aspect. PROOF obviously had contact with SyFy before the PARANORMAL WITNESS show. We have no idea what could have been agreed or contractually written on PROOFs limitations on what they can and cannot be able to talk about due to the fact that it is a show on a mainstream channel. I do not question their ability as paranormal investigators but unfortunately they may in fact be telling the truth of their "evidence and findings", but because the show was depicted differently and we all sat and watched the show, we tend to lean towards what the show represented and not PROOF. I am more concerned about them painting themselves into a corner because of legalities which is causing people to criticize their "proof" and integrity so to say.

Submitted by Squidge (not verified) on
CB - Thank you again. And I will admit that I got a little snippy regarding Joseph, and I can see taking exception to that. I just found it to be in poor taste to say that he was "disgusted" that SyFy claimed there was a murder when his own employee also said there was a murder. It's like, why be mad at SyFy but not Amanda? It struck me as unfairly harsh to SyFy. But I agree with you that there could be behind-the-scenes stuff we don't know about that affects what they can talk about. Especially since I believe they have a book coming out that discusses the Mansfield Training School case. Their book deal could also prevent them from giving away too much information for free. I hope Joseph posts the FAQ soon, and I do hope he discusses the "Jessica" murder story because I am very interested in PROOF's side and how this happened. I don't know enough about the team to question them in general, so I don't want to come across like I'm slamming all their work. The "Jessica" thing is just something of a mess and I'm curious about how it'll shake out.

Submitted by CB (not verified) on
I am kind of feeling that PROOF has pulled away from this thread for the fact of there being so many conflictions. I am sure with the book and the release of the show kinda conflicted with what they have found. I admit it does raise questions but I will read the book and see what it has to say. I was unaware that they were writing a book on MTS. I am also toying with the idea of booking a weekend experience myself, if that is actually in the works to happen. Regardless of anything it will still be fun to experience.

From what I have read on their site, the book appears to be acompilation of their investigations. They discuss getting permission to use the Hooker Hotel in their book. I don't know the details but it sounds like one of these Haunted in CT/New England type of projects.

Submitted by Squidge (not verified) on
Erik - You're correct. I didn't mean to be misleading. The book is also about other cases, but it does include the Training School. At the end of the PROOF page describing the Training School Investigation it says "These contents were directly depicted by P.R.O.O.F’s soon to be published book “P.R.O.O.F 'A door to the other-side.'" http://www.teamproof.com/paranormal-witness-the-haunting-of-mansfield-mansion-the-true-story/

Submitted by Tina (not verified) on
Book? PROOF said they were not going to attempt to profit in any way from their involvement in this situation...... Also, on another page, they say there are police reports and claim they will be posting them....

Submitted by Tina (not verified) on
@"CB"-There you go attacking me now because I pointed out what you were doing. And, no one else who actually lived on the premises or worked there is leaving accounts which differ from mine.....This discussion thread was meant to discuss MTS and the allegations presented in the recent show, not to debate whether this is "science", or defend PROOF as "professionals". And by the way, how did you make the determination that they are "professionals"? There is no certification or other criteria which makes that designation. Maybe you can start a new thread and ramble on and on (and on) as you seem to have a lot of free time on your hands and the desire to attack anyone who does not agree with you or who points out that often it is you who is doing the attacking.

Submitted by Tina (not verified) on
@Erik, I looked at the info on the link you posted, those statements made by PROOF are false and can be easily proven as such. It states the Moore family read "article after article" about "abuse which took place on the premises and in their now home", where are these articles? There was never any article about abuse in the superintendents home, and has abuse now replaced the term murder which was used previously as they previously claimed there was a newspaper article about a murder in the house? There were never any patients in the superintendents home, it states there were. It also, incorrectly describes MTS as being where "the feeble minded and insane were housed", that is also incorrect as has repeatedly been stated and confirmed, it was a facility for the mentally retarded not the insane (there is a big difference between the two). I don't have time to review the rest of it, and I imagine I will be hearing from "CB" soon, but this is obviously fiction and should be stated as such.

Submitted by Squidge (not verified) on
@Tina - Do you mean the link I gave? Regarding the articles about abuse, I don't think they mean "abuse" to replace "murder," I think they just got loose with what exactly counts as the Moore's property. The fact that it doesn't mention a murder at all is strange to me. It makes me think Joseph has it right (that page was up before the Paranormal Witness episode was), but it makes Amanda's statement even weirder. I agree that they're playing too fast and loose with what happened where. Abuses unquestionably happened at MTS, but apparently not in Moore's house. All I can figure is that maybe Moore purchased a big enough piece of the former school that she owns some outbuildings that housed patients? But no one seems to be claiming that, so that's probably not the case.

Submitted by Erik Kubik (not verified) on
@Squidge I don't know what to think about Amanda's comments. May be she spoke in haste, but Joseph Gallant cleared it up for me. SyFy deserves a lot of criticism for the background information about MTS which was portrayed on the PW episode. Not just misleading, but patently false. There was abuse, there was mistreatment, there were forced sterilizations and experimental treatment performed, but what happened at MTS occurred all over New England. All of these facilities constructed when the eugenics laws were passed in the early 1900s had a different idea of how mentally challenged people should be treated. In fact, these facilities allowed individuals who didn't belong in these "schools" or "hospitals" to be admitted: see the Ladd School and its admission of morally loose women. The Ladd School is another pet project of mine about to come to fruition, just waiting for the go ahead. It was a sad period in history, but guys like Superintendent McNamara really tried to turn it around. The staff believed in the hospital at Mansfield and, overall, did a magnificent job with the limited resources they had.

Submitted by Squidge (not verified) on
@ Erik - "The Ladd School is another pet project of mine about to come to fruition, just waiting for the go ahead." Pet project? What are your plans for it? Sounds like it could be interesting.

Submitted by Erik Kubik (not verified) on
I'll let you know when I get the go ahead from the State of Rhode Island to look at the facility's records. There are a couple of ways for me to go, but it has nothing at all to do with ghosts.

Submitted by Tina (not verified) on
@Squidge, yes, sorry, I meant your link which you directed to Erik. As far as Ms. Moore's house and property, it does not include any building's used to house patients at MTS. @Erik, yes, the staff at MTS did the best they could, Superintendent Kelly was in charge until about 1973 then McNamera came. Although McNamera was not as well liked as Kelly, and did away with a lot of the social activities and events they had for the patients and staff and their families such as carnivals and fireworks in the summer, paddle boats in the lakes, the diving board at the swimming pool, etc, I do not think he or his family were involved in any abuse or "murder" or cover up of same at their residence, the page you provided the link to seems to insinuate otherwise and I believe that is purely fiction. It seems to allege abuse at the Superintendent's residence.

Submitted by Christine (not verified) on
@ Amanda & Joseph I'm curious to know how someone becomes "involved" with a group, such as yours. Basically, myself and two friends of mine, goto local places and take pictures, ask questions, etc.. We have taken loads of pictures, maybe a dozen or so we could not explain or "debunk". We've wanted to join a "group" for awhile but just don't know where to start. Any advice? Also, does PROOF let people (like myself and friends) tag along during investigations? We'd love to show you all some of our pictures and share our experiences and get your feedback. The other thing, I see a lot of "haters" on here. One thing I have learned is that most people don't believe unless they have "experienced" some sort of paranormal activity. Though I understand the urge to defend, I wouldn't give these people the time of day. Debating is one thing, but enough is enough once they get personal. Anyways, if you guys can e-mail me or repost on here, I'd appreciate hearing from PROOF! dthomas449@comcast.net Thank you!!

Submitted by Matt (not verified) on
Erik and Squidge, You both express confusion concerning Amanda's initial posts. I'm pretty sure its beause of her posting early in the discussion that everything in the PW Mansfield broadcast is true. My take, in view of the PW episode and PROOF's web account, is that Ms Moore, the homeowner, is at the root of the false information regarding, abuse, murder, and rape at the 1308 home. During the program she explains that she researched newspaper articles and discovered the crimes. Assuming the persons recounting their experiences, viewed intermittently with dramatic enactments, are not actors (???), it was Ms Moore who explained the discovery of a rape and murder in the home. Correct me, if I'm wrong, but I believe that she indicated the rape and murder occurred in the home, not somewhere on the Mansfield campus. Furthermore, PROOF's web account also describes Ms Moore relating her discovery of abuse from "within her now-home." A paste from PROOF's website: "After weeks of researching and coming up with nothing, Ms Moore came across an article, an article written five years before her purchase that explained everything. The article read that 1308 was the home of the superintendent of the Mansfield Training School, a hospital for the feeble minded and insane. Ms. Moore read article after article that talked about the abuse of patients at the facility and from within her now-home." I've seen no indication that PW or PROOF attempted to determine the validity of Ms Moore's claims. What could be less entertaining to a group of eager paranormal-phile audience, than lack of evidence to support the morbid past? Why ruin a profitable story by pointing out that the star character made false statements?

Submitted by CB (not verified) on
This whole thread has become an shamble of a discussion. Matt- I agree with you previous post. Hollywood is a money machine and what makes money are good shows. When televising/ creating/ writing a movie or show about paranormal, obviously the spookier and better sounding sell better. Regardless this thread has lost its luster to me. I simply debated and pointed out different things and people seem to get offended. Do not open a topic or subject if you cannot handle someone elses opinion. I am sure that once I leave this thread mnay comments will be made. In the end I do not care, I showed my point. :) You all and have fun arguing over real life investigators and "professionals" who have a different view and recollection than Hollywood. All and all we are only looking at things through our own experiences and thoughts... why be open minded? (sarcasm)

Submitted by Squidge (not verified) on
Matt - Ohhhh, good point! I kinda forgot about Moore since Joseph said she was also "disgusted" with SyFy's lies. That makes perfect sense, thank you.

Submitted by Kaitlin (not verified) on
AWESOME EPISODE!!! I was scared out of my mind! I would love to find out more about that house and about the little girl....... poor girl :'(......... does anybody know anyway to find out....... :/

Submitted by Squidge (not verified) on
@Kaitlin - It's funny you should ask about finding out more about the girl's murder. That's currently the big thing being debated in this thread. To offer a brief recap, the ghost hunting team who contributed to the episode says there was no murder.

Submitted by Richard (not verified) on
Squidge, Why did the producers profess there was a murder? Obviously they made the house look more scary than it really is. I don't mind the Hollywood embellishment, but why the lies?

Submitted by Squidge (not verified) on
Richard - I don't know, but I agree that a flat-out lie is very disconcerting. In comment 24, PROOF's executive director confirms the murder, then later the founder of PROOF says there was no murder. He talks about it a little bit about it in comments 154 and 157. Matt has a theory in comment 210. In short, it's unclear at this point. Supposedly PROOF's founder is going to post an FAQ and if he does, hopefully it'll cover this kerfluffle.

Submitted by Tina (not verified) on
Mr. Gallant seems to be copying and pasting from various other sites where some of this info/claims were previously posted, it does not appear to be new info or a response to new questions other than the comments related to his being asked by the tv producers to "act sad and lie". As to the "Reminder News Article", the "Reminder" is a local community flyer type newspaper (I use the term newspaper loosely). It mainly serves to remind residents of events like bake sales and soccer games, hence the name, The Reminder. It is by no means an investigative newspaper. And, besides the fact that there are false statements in the "article" as to patients ever been housed in the Superintendent's residence, (they were not), and it being the "original institution" (it was not) it is also odd that Mr. McNamera's recent comments, as to never noticing anything strange in the house, completely contradict those allegedly attributed to him 18 months ago. Also, I came across another article in the "Reminder" which mentioned that PROOF was selling tickets to those who wanted to participate in their investigation at the home, and another article found elsewhere online wherein PROOF said there was evidence as to a former patient being murdered in the home, in that article it went on to say that they believed this patient was a male, 6'2'' in height who cast a dark shadow but was only a "negative presence", not demonic, and that they would be releasing the name of this man once his affiliation with the residence was confirmed. And, as far as the existence of any actual news articles, PROOF seems to be standing by the claim that there was an article which Ms. Moore found which "explained everything" and it states that article was published in 1994 (5 years before she purchased the property), why doesn't PROOF produce this article? Surely they verified it's existence as they continue to state that it exists, even in their comments on this Q&A. And, a newspaper article is public record, so there could be no explanation as to a contract not allowing the release of said article since it is already public record, it is exists.

Submitted by FWL (not verified) on
Mr. Gallant seems to be copying and pasting from various other sites where some of this info/claims were previously posted, it does not appear to be new info or a response to new questions other than the comments related to his being asked by the tv producers to "act sad and lie". As to the "Reminder News Article", the "Reminder" is a local community flyer type newspaper (I use the term newspaper loosely). It mainly serves to remind residents of events like bake sales and soccer games, hence the name, The Reminder. It is by no means an investigative newspaper. And, besides the fact that there are false statements in the "article" as to patients ever been housed in the Superintendent's residence, (they were not), and it being the "original institution" (it was not) it is also odd that Mr. McNamera's recent comments, as to never noticing anything strange in the house, completely contradict those allegedly attributed to him 18 months ago. Also, I came across another article in the "Reminder" which mentioned that PROOF was selling tickets to those who wanted to participate in their investigation at the home, and another article found elsewhere online wherein PROOF said there was evidence as to a former patient being murdered in the home, in that article it went on to say that they believed this patient was a male, 6'2'' in height who cast a dark shadow but was only a "negative presence", not demonic, and that they would be releasing the name of this man once his affiliation with the residence was confirmed. And, as far as the existence of any actual news articles, PROOF seems to be standing by the claim that there was an article which Ms. Moore found which "explained everything" and it states that article was published in 1994 (5 years before she purchased the property), why doesn't PROOF produce this article? Surely they verified it's existence as they continue to state that it exists, even in their comments on this Q&A. And, a newspaper article is public record, so there could be no explanation as to a contract not allowing the release of said article since it is already public record, it is exists.

I am a RN and worked at MTS for 7 years in the 80's. While abuse existed, most clients were very well cared-for and, in many cases, loved. Many shared holidays and other occasions with employees and their families. All manner of strangeness went on over the years, as you will find with any group of human beings. It upsets me when people talk about employees as if they were unfeeling monsters: this is simply untrue. Some RESIDENTS had committed rape and murder, however; many types of people were warehoused in institutions such as these. Still are.

Submitted by FWL (not verified) on
From the January 30 2010 article referenced above; "Threatening presences As a result of the investigation, Joseph Gallant, founder of PROOF, determined the spirits in the house were not diabolic, but still posed a threat to the family. Gallant said the spirits have been re-classified as an “E-Combo” - which means there is a mixture of intelligent and residual hauntings in the home. Although the results will not be released until a later date, Gallant said the investigation did confirm that there is something happening in the Moore household. “We went into the house and it’s not demonic, but it is a negative presence,” he said. An investigator was pinched and the team recorded the humming of an unidentified woman, but the most dramatic evidence, Gallant said, was a full apparition of the angry male spirit in the house that was caught on tape. “We got the name of a full-bodied apparition,” said Gallant. Mysterious man He said PROOF members would not release the name of the spirit until it is confirmed the spirit has a connection to the homestead. Identifying might be difficult due to the fact that records of the hospital were not kept and the building used to be owned by the state, said Gallant. According to Gallant, the apparition - which appeared as a black, 6-foot-2-inch tall silhouette with the distinct shape of a head, shoulders and legs - announced himself as he was walking from one room to another on the second floor. Gallant said the male lived at the training school and claimed to have been killed by a fellow patient. Evicting the spirits Names or no names, hostile or not, Moore said she wants whatever - who whoever - is plaguing the home gone. She said Gallant and his team plan to conduct a “banishing” next week to force the spirits out of the home, so she can live there in peace. According to Gallant, a banishing will rid the house of both the negative and positive energy that inhabits the structure. “It’s more of a Wiccan method for ridding spirits,” said Gallant. The six-hour event includes blessing the house, burning sage and praying.

Submitted by jessika (not verified) on
Ugh super pist. ...show was scarey. ......BUT so fake.....family never even moved in there and overall thhe staff was nice! I can't say I don't believe in paranormal bc I def do....but seriously show some real shit already!...we were not raised to make a world of lies....no wonder why everyone is f%$ked in the head

Submitted by FWL (not verified) on
PS- Sorry Tina, I copied your post and meant to comment but instead only your post appeared.

Submitted by mapumai (not verified) on
You might not believe the way i do, and i do not think the hunters for paranormal do . when every one is asking questions. You never hear any one ask if these entities know who Jesus is.. We know that we are spiritual being and that we believe there are spirits every were. But it is all presented disenfranchised from the truth. Entertainment of this kind is not useful and without explanation, but that wouldn't make it very scary. For real if you are not prepared to do deal in the spiritual or "paranormal" think 2xs it is very real and can hunt u spiritually,mentally and physically. So what do I do? I call on the power and the name of Jesus Christ. Has it ever been effective. You Bet..backed up by 6000years of history isn't a bad place to start.. Still watching until it get borrrrrrrrring then i change the channel.

Submitted by Tim (not verified) on
My father was a longtime employee of the school and had access to all the buildings for business purposes. I have personally accompanied him thru about 70 percent of all the buildings at one time or another, some at night but most during the day. Neither him nor myself ever experienced paranormal activity although he was alone in the former longley school around 1990 and he heard footsteps and whistling. Upon investigating, he found nothing. It was later learned a uconn student was squatting in the building. His candles started a fire that tripped the smoke alarm. I can confirm that there are 1.5 miles of underground steam and utility tunnels across the campus. Some have been bricked off at certain points. The steel grates in the sidewalks lead into them. Also there is an entrance in the powerhouse, hospital, and I believe Binet and tredgold halls. I have also been able to read numerous (lots!!!) of documents that were never public. Abuse did occur there but the only homicides were client on client violence. Hope this info was helpful. Time frame here was 1990-1992.

Submitted by Debbie (not verified) on
I just finished watching the episode. I do believe that these things happened in the house. Maybe I'm mistaken but, did they not say that the "house" the Moore family purchased was where the director of the school lived? I'm with Moore...stand your ground, the house can be cleaned from the unwanted.

Submitted by FWL (not verified) on
I saw the episode as well; it is clearly fiction. In it, Ms. Moore blatantly lies when she states that she read newspaper articles which stated that "a rape" occurred in the Superintendent's house as well as the fact that a "child was murdered there". Those are both false statements. No one can produce news articles which claim these things happened there as no such news articles exist. The ending of the tv show is also fiction, no remains were given to the "state pathologist" to be examined and now the group which previously claimed to have found these "remains" admits they were not remains and were never given to the "state pathologist". It is tv shows like this which give paranormal investigators and shows of this nature a bad name. There very well may be instances of paranormal activity but telling lies and fabricating "evidence" to make things more interesting and merit a tv show, take away from whatever legitimacy which may have existed regarding such claims.

Submitted by Dan (not verified) on
Amy's occurences did indeed happen. If you'd like to talk to her about it, she owns the bar mentioned in the episode. Her daughter-in-law also works there. Her Daughter's name is listed above the front doorway. There are a LOT more issues that have occurred to her than mentioned in the episode.

Submitted by Richard (not verified) on
Squidge, thanks for responding to my question. Amanda: What have you found out from the state police regarding the remains? Do you ever investigate outside of New England?

Submitted by Monica (not verified) on
Wow. There is a lot of anger in this thread. I will give you a different perspective. In the town I live in, there was an orphanage run by the Catholic Church. There were always rumors about nuns having babies from priests and burying them alive, mistreatment and abuse to the orphans. (many of whom who were taken from their families with the promise of a better life.) When the orphanage closed in the late 80's, it was turned into a drug treatment center. Many people claimed to hear voices, see apparitions, among other things. There was a building connected to what used to be the chapel, which was turned into a gym. In this building housed a radio station, which I worked at. In that time, I have had apparitions play peek-a-boo with me, heard basketballs bouncing in the chapel, though the treatment center was abandoned years before that, and the room was dark. I have also heard babies crying and have had a man sitting in the studio staring at me. The point of the matter is this, just because events are not published or proven, does not necessarily mean they did not happen. I know what I have seen, I also know people who worked at the same station and have not had a single thing happen to them. Why that is, I do not know. If the family is scared enough by what they believe is happening and want help, so be it. For the record, my area has our own Paranormal Society. They have showed me video and have had me listen to audio. Even with my experiences, the audio and video verified the notion that I am a believer.

Submitted by Richard (not verified) on
Monica, I'm not sure if it is anger. Hard to tell sometimes in print. You do make a good point though. As for why others have not seen and heard what you have, I have heard that some people are just able to seen things while others can't. I don't know why that is. It is as if some spirits choose who they want to see them. When I told people about the paranormal activity in my house, they scoffed until they came to my house for a few hours. Now they believe!

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